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We are reassured and more than confident that this will go to full planning committee in the coming weeks, however, we predict that the latest Lidl planning application for the Three Counties Hotel site will be approved in the coming weeks from what we hear on the grapevine..

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You can see our original 'Breaking News' article from March 2022 here 👉 https://hfd.news/Lidl3 

The Local Highway Authority also submitted a memorandum on 20th December 2023 (attached) explaining that the had no objections (with conditions)

Following the redesign of the central area of the car park the local highway authority has no objection to the application subject to the below conditions.

Conditions: CAB (2.4m x 43m), CAD Gates/barriers (setback 7m), CAE, CAJ (car parking to be provided in full prior to store opening), CAP (as per dwg 05 rev G by Corun), CAT, CB3

Informatives: I11, I09, I45, I08, I05, I14, I49, I54, I52, I51, I47, I37, I36, I35

Hereford City Council submitted their comments one 12th January 2024 stating that they have no objections;

Dear Heather

Hereford City Council Planning Committee has no objection to planning application 231703 however have comments. Whilst Councillors regret the loss of this hotel and tourism facility, they appreciate the need for an economy food store and associated employment south of the river which will be popular with local residents. Councillors have considerable anxiety about another unregulated junction on an already busy road and feel the proposed design is not respectful of the local environment.

Kind regards

Becci O’Reilly

Administration & Events Manager

It is evident from the original application that the majority of objections on the planning portal is certainly not popular with local residents! Which is what this letter (attached) states....

We had a petition signed from over a thousand local people as well as over 228 objections, which like ourselves was down to the main concerns over traffic congestion and safety of people using the notorious A465 Belmont Road. There were just 12 letters submitted in support of the application.

The original application was withdrawn and a new updated application was submitted in June 2023 (P231703/F).

This next part is interesting, Did you know? ALL of the original letters of objection and support together with a petition with over 1,000 signatures against the application cannot be taken into account even though the overall application is more or less the same - 'Demolishing the Hotel and building a Lidl supermarket' (We appreciate that the drive-thru coffee shop was removed and a few other tweaks made to the new application). We are confident that planning consultants know how to work the system because now the letters of objection or support are clearly going to be hugely diluted, which is the case with 41 objections and 10 letters in support as of the time of this topic 20th January 2024. 🤔 

The A465 Belmont Road is renowned for daily traffic congestion. There is also a speed enforcement camera located directly opposite the entrance to the hotel which was installed for a reason! 

It will be interesting to see how this develops and we will highlight these issues which are only going to become much much worse with this development. A more suitable location would have been at Rotherwas in our view. 

Local Highway Authority.pdf

Hereford City Council Comments.pdf

 

Posted

Since the original planning application was withdrawn and new application submitted the Three Counties Hotel is accommodating over 100 Asylum Seekers while their applications are processed, which proved to be very controversial, so now a lot of people prefer a Lidl rather than a hotel full of asylum seekers. All part of the plan 🤫

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Of course it will be approved. This is a farce 

  1. Submit a controversial planning application 
  2. Wait for all the objections and complaints 
  3. Withdrawn original planning application 
  4. Submit new planning application with a few tweaks
  5. All previous objections are no longer valid and need re-submitting
  6. Move in Asylum Seekers 
  7. Less people complain and some people prefer the first option over the second
  8. Original objections now watered down as people think they have already objected (not realising that there is a new application, which amounts to the same)
  9.  Keep delaying the decision, keep changing determination dates
  10. Approved 
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This will come as no surprise. Cannot believe they could knock down this perfectly good hotel for another supermarket on the worse road in Hereford. If you think the traffic is bad now it will be relentless once building work begins and eventually the new Lidl is fully operational. 

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Posted

This was always going to get passed. The whole planning application is a complete farce. 

I agree with all of the above comments. Companies submit planning applications knowing it will cause local upset, then once all of those objections are submitted like in this case, original planning application is withdrawn and a new one submitted and now all of a sudden there is a huge drop in objections because the people who objected think they have objected already. The Belmont Rd is possibly the worse road in Hereford and approving yet another supermarket at this location is beyond a joke. Herefordshire Council planners have a lot to answer for with this one! (Brown envelopes come to mind)

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On 27/01/2024 at 08:36, Steve Major said:

Of course it will be approved. This is a farce 

  1. Submit a controversial planning application 
  2. Wait for all the objections and complaints 
  3. Withdrawn original planning application 
  4. Submit new planning application with a few tweaks
  5. All previous objections are no longer valid and need re-submitting
  6. Move in Asylum Seekers 
  7. Less people complain and some people prefer the first option over the second
  8. Original objections now watered down as people think they have already objected (not realising that there is a new application, which amounts to the same)
  9.  Keep delaying the decision, keep changing determination dates
  10. Approved 

Absolutely what we have been saying for sometime Steve.

Posted

Some of the councillors in the meeting have raised concerns over flooding (once pond removed) and traffic leaving the site and turning right, this is is going to be a serious problem, you'll see. 

Posted

What is the point of the committee if they are unable to vote or voice their objections without being intimidated by the panel?? 

Anyway, have a giggle and read what the local flood expert Stefanie Davies from youranythingbutherefordshire has to say in the file attached 🤣(sorry I am not sure how to reduce the file so just click it to read)

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Posted
44 minutes ago, Peter Thomas-Cruttwell said:

What is the point of the committee if they are unable to vote or voice their objections without being intimidated by the panel?? 

Anyway, have a giggle and read what the local flood expert Stefanie Davies from youranythingbutherefordshire has to say in the file attached 🤣(sorry I am not sure how to reduce the file so just click it to read)

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Sounds about right for that odd bod. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Peter Thomas-Cruttwell said:

What is the point of the committee if they are unable to vote or voice their objections without being intimidated by the panel?? 

Anyway, have a giggle and read what the local flood expert Stefanie Davies from youranythingbutherefordshire has to say in the file attached 🤣(sorry I am not sure how to reduce the file so just click it to read)

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he hee I wonder if he would have put money on it being passed, Oh no, I forget he is an ex gambling attention seeking gaylord

Posted
4 hours ago, H.Wilson said:

How soon will the work begin? (I do not agree with council decision by the way) 

Do not be surprised if they start to demolish the hotel fairly rapidly. Let the mayhem begin! 

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On 13/03/2024 at 17:52, Mick said:

Some of the councillors in the meeting have raised concerns over flooding (once pond removed) and traffic leaving the site and turning right, this is is going to be a serious problem, you'll see. 

This is going to be a major problem!

We cannot get a 'traffic lights out trial' yet exiting a Lidl supermarket and turning right (onto one of the busiest roads in Hereford A465) and crossing the carriageway, which is the direction of oncoming traffic and hoping that the traffic heading southbound or vehicles waiting in the little filter lane turning into Lidl's will giveaway is ok though...

Accidents here are sadly inevitable! Mark our words!! 

 

 

Posted
4 hours ago, Hereford Voice said:

This is going to be a major problem!

We cannot get a 'traffic lights out trial' yet exiting a Lidl supermarket and turning right (onto one of the busiest roads in Hereford A465) and crossing the carriageway, which is the direction of oncoming traffic and hoping that the traffic heading southbound or vehicles waiting in the little filter lane turning into Lidl's is ok though...

 

 

Quite agree. It is madness.

Posted

This application relates to the Tesco premises in Belmont, lying on the south-western
fringes of Hereford. It seeks planning permission for a temporary storage container to
be sited each year from November to January. It is proposed that it be located on land
within the delivery yard to the north-west of the superstore, which is accessed from
Abbotsmead Road. It would have an area of 28sqm, stand 2.7m tall and comprise the
appearance of a shipping container albeit be internally fitted out as a refrigeration unit.
A previous application (073649/F), for the installation of two temporary refrigerated
storage units, was refused on the grounds of highway safety.

Relevant Site History: 073649/F - Installation of two temporary refrigerated storage
units – Refused on 21st December 2007

This was refused

DELEGATED DECISION REPORT
APPLICATION NUMBER 214561
Tesco Supermarket, Abbots Mead Road, Belmont, Hereford, HR2 7XS

Transportation –
No highways objections – no conditions required

Environmental Health Officer –
I would advise that over the years we have had numerous complaints from local
residents about noise caused by various sources at this supermarket. This premises
is in a very sensitive location being located at very close proximity to residential
development. The positioning of these temporary refrigeration units provides another
possible source for the generation of unacceptable noise whilst they are in position. I
note from neighbour representations that this has been raised as a concern and I
would concur with this view. There is no mention in the application as to what level of
noise will be generated or as to how any unacceptable levels will be mitigated. I would
therefore recommend that this application is refused unless an acoustic survey is
provided that demonstrates what level of noise will be produced and if this level is
unacceptable what mitigation measures will be put in place to ensure that noise from
them will be adequately controlled. I would recommend that the acoustic survey uses
the methodology provided by BS 4142:2014 Methods for Rating and Assessing
Industrial and Commercial Noise (as amended A1:2019), however it should also
specifically consider low frequency noise and vibration.

_________________________________________________

If Tesco couldn't put two temporary containers on their site, I can't see how the council can approve a 
large supermarket.
 

Posted
11 hours ago, megilleland said:

This application relates to the Tesco premises in Belmont, lying on the south-western
fringes of Hereford. It seeks planning permission for a temporary storage container to
be sited each year from November to January. It is proposed that it be located on land
within the delivery yard to the north-west of the superstore, which is accessed from
Abbotsmead Road. It would have an area of 28sqm, stand 2.7m tall and comprise the
appearance of a shipping container albeit be internally fitted out as a refrigeration unit.
A previous application (073649/F), for the installation of two temporary refrigerated
storage units, was refused on the grounds of highway safety.

Relevant Site History: 073649/F - Installation of two temporary refrigerated storage
units – Refused on 21st December 2007

This was refused

DELEGATED DECISION REPORT
APPLICATION NUMBER 214561
Tesco Supermarket, Abbots Mead Road, Belmont, Hereford, HR2 7XS

Transportation –
No highways objections – no conditions required

Environmental Health Officer –
I would advise that over the years we have had numerous complaints from local
residents about noise caused by various sources at this supermarket. This premises
is in a very sensitive location being located at very close proximity to residential
development. The positioning of these temporary refrigeration units provides another
possible source for the generation of unacceptable noise whilst they are in position. I
note from neighbour representations that this has been raised as a concern and I
would concur with this view. There is no mention in the application as to what level of
noise will be generated or as to how any unacceptable levels will be mitigated. I would
therefore recommend that this application is refused unless an acoustic survey is
provided that demonstrates what level of noise will be produced and if this level is
unacceptable what mitigation measures will be put in place to ensure that noise from
them will be adequately controlled. I would recommend that the acoustic survey uses
the methodology provided by BS 4142:2014 Methods for Rating and Assessing
Industrial and Commercial Noise (as amended A1:2019), however it should also
specifically consider low frequency noise and vibration.

_________________________________________________

If Tesco couldn't put two temporary containers on their site, I can't see how the council can approve a 
large supermarket.
 

This is a good point! 

Posted
On 20/01/2024 at 19:30, Hereford Voice said:

We are reassured and more than confident that this will go to full planning committee in the coming weeks, however, we predict that the latest Lidl planning application for the Three Counties Hotel site will be approved in the coming weeks from what we hear on the grapevine..

1553915414_ThreeCountiesHotel.jpg.6597fbe7b865ff3320dcb2501538ae7e.thumb.jpg.ad2168adb62ee9599b3face76ea22ee9.jpg.c0f5a1030012cfba506bdfbc0add93fa.jpg

You can see our original 'Breaking News' article from March 2022 here 👉 https://hfd.news/Lidl3 

The Local Highway Authority also submitted a memorandum on 20th December 2023 (attached) explaining that the had no objections (with conditions)

Following the redesign of the central area of the car park the local highway authority has no objection to the application subject to the below conditions.

Conditions: CAB (2.4m x 43m), CAD Gates/barriers (setback 7m), CAE, CAJ (car parking to be provided in full prior to store opening), CAP (as per dwg 05 rev G by Corun), CAT, CB3

Informatives: I11, I09, I45, I08, I05, I14, I49, I54, I52, I51, I47, I37, I36, I35

Hereford City Council submitted their comments one 12th January 2024 stating that they have no objections;

Dear Heather

Hereford City Council Planning Committee has no objection to planning application 231703 however have comments. Whilst Councillors regret the loss of this hotel and tourism facility, they appreciate the need for an economy food store and associated employment south of the river which will be popular with local residents. Councillors have considerable anxiety about another unregulated junction on an already busy road and feel the proposed design is not respectful of the local environment.

Kind regards

Becci O’Reilly

Administration & Events Manager

It is evident from the original application that the majority of objections on the planning portal is certainly not popular with local residents! Which is what this letter (attached) states....

We had a petition signed from over a thousand local people as well as over 228 objections, which like ourselves was down to the main concerns over traffic congestion and safety of people using the notorious A465 Belmont Road. There were just 12 letters submitted in support of the application.

The original application was withdrawn and a new updated application was submitted in June 2023 (P231703/F).

This next part is interesting, Did you know? ALL of the original letters of objection and support together with a petition with over 1,000 signatures against the application cannot be taken into account even though the overall application is more or less the same - 'Demolishing the Hotel and building a Lidl supermarket' (We appreciate that the drive-thru coffee shop was removed and a few other tweaks made to the new application). We are confident that planning consultants know how to work the system because now the letters of objection or support are clearly going to be hugely diluted, which is the case with 41 objections and 10 letters in support as of the time of this topic 20th January 2024. 🤔 

The A465 Belmont Road is renowned for daily traffic congestion. There is also a speed enforcement camera located directly opposite the entrance to the hotel which was installed for a reason! 

It will be interesting to see how this develops and we will highlight these issues which are only going to become much much worse with this development. A more suitable location would have been at Rotherwas in our view. 

Local Highway Authority.pdf 77.65 kB · 19 downloads

Hereford City Council Comments.pdf 387.62 kB · 18 downloads

 

 

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Local planning officer said ......   An update from the council's transport manager confirmed that “no capacity issues are shown to occur” on the A465 even in a “worst-case scenario”, due to the “generous” new planned lane for cars turning in to the supermarket.
Is this person taking the P**s

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Posted

I watched the recording of the meeting. Chairman and some others wanted this to go-ahead, every time a councillor objected he was on them!! Some bullying going on there in my view.  There is going to be some problems when this is built and some bigger problems during construction. 

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