Glenda Powell Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 BREAKING NEWS FROM LONDON. Labour Leadership Results: Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn - 251,000 votes - 59.5%. Deputy Leader Tom Watson - after third round votes - 50.7%.
greenknight Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 So for good or bad he,s in,so one way or the other it's going to stir things up. I personally became bored with three men in suits all looking the same with just the appropriate colour tie for differentiation and let's be honest I would love for him to turn up in brown socks and sandels! He maybe a dinosaur but which one...will he have teeth? I know that dinosaurs died out but that was due to third party intervention a fete that could await all of us. It looks like as a country we have lost interest in centre ground politics it's either left or right, alkaline or acidic neither ultimately good for democracy so here we go ..let's see what happens.
Roger Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 This 59.5% of votes is a staggeringly large margin of victory and Corbyn now has a total Mandate to put forward his ultra left wing policies. Which includes paying for most extra things by ringing up the Bank of England and telling them to simply print more cash. It's quite clear that there is now a total disconnect between what grass root Labour people want and what Parliamentary Labour MP's think. A huge number of them are centre left (or Tory-Lite). In fact within a few minutes of him winning Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Rachel Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Emma Reynolds, Jamie Reed and Liz Kendall all resigned from the Shadow Front Bench.
greenknight Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Only if he gets into government Roger and that's a long way off and as for the shadow front bench ..well they can go back to their constituents and see what they think after all it would not be the first time that an MP has changed their point of view. Let's not forget many are supposed to represent their voters however far more are seeking personal objectives.
DILLIGAF Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Politics or religion..... Best way to start an argument. As you were
K.Butt Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 This 59.5% of votes is a staggeringly large margin of victory and Corbyn now has a total Mandate to put forward his ultra left wing policies. Which includes paying for most extra things by ringing up the Bank of England and telling them to simply print more cash. It's quite clear that there is now a total disconnect between what grass root Labour people want and what Parliamentary Labour MP's think. A huge number of them are centre left (or Tory-Lite). In fact within a few minutes of him winning Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Rachel Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Emma Reynolds, Jamie Reed and Liz Kendall all resigned from the Shadow Front Bench. Yes it was quite an exodus, that speaks volumes. He is far too left wing for me and the party too, time will tell its all early day at the moment, let the honeymoon dwindle and see how the part manage over the next year or so.
Roger Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Yes it was quite an exodus, that speaks volumes. 59.5% of the active Labour Party want very left wing policies. The Party will now have to reflect that and adapt their Policies. Pure and simple. So will the MP's. They have to reflect their voters'. End of story. But Liz (4.5%) secretly loves Jeremy ..... That photo is fairly tongue in cheek I will add.
Roger Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Just catching up and the Daily Fail (right wing obviously) is reporting a plot to oust Corbyn as Leader. A plot by it's own elected Mp's. They don't seem to register that 59.5% of Members don't agree with them.
LS86 Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I am extremely happy to see Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. This is what politics is about!
Roger Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I am extremely happy to see Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. This is what politics is about! Welcome to the Forum!
Denise Lloyd Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Just catching up and the Daily Fail (right wing obviously) is reporting a plot to oust Corbyn as Leader. A plot by it's own elected Mp's. They don't seem to register that 59.5% of Members don't agree with them. Well that is politics or politicians nowadays they do not listen to people and that is exactly why Corbyn got in.
greenknight Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I am extremely happy to see Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. This is what politics is about! So there you go we welcome a new member to the forum and mark him down because he has an opinion which perhaps is not in line with the general consensus. I have corrected this because this is supposed to be an open site and wanting new voices. Please don't be dissuaded Luke...welcome.
greenknight Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Well that is politics or politicians nowadays they do not listen to people and that is exactly why Corbyn got in. I'm not so sure Denise but we will wait and see.
LS86 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 So there you go we welcome a new member to the forum and mark him down because he has an opinion which perhaps is not in line with the general consensus. I have corrected this because this is supposed to be an open site and wanting new voices. Please don't be dissuaded Luke...welcome. Thank you Green King, people are welcome to their opinions. I have been reading the forum for several months now and one of the reason I have joined is because I don't always agree with what I read. How do we become better and more open people if are not willing to have our opinions challenged so hopefully I can offer that and vice versa. To me Corbyn is a sense of relief. I couldn't understand labour leader candidates saying the party had to become more like the conservatives to win the next election. I'd rather have a Labour Party who stood up for its beliefs and offered a legit opposition than change its political position just to win. He also comes across as some one who is honest whilst being interviewed rather than far too many politicians who only say what the media want or give a 'political' response not really answering what was asked. Maybe I shouldn't have chosen my first thread to comment on a political thread! 😆
megilleland Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 I am extremely happy to see Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. This is what politics is about! Totally agree with you - too many career suits from Oxbridge who see their meal tickets disappearing very quickly. Education background BURNHAM, Andy- Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, University of Cambridge COOPER, Yvette - Harvard University, Cambridge, United States CORBYN, Jeremy - Adams' Grammar School KENDALL, Liz - Queens' College, Cambridge
Roger Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Ian Murray has been confirmed as Shadow Scottish secretary on Jeremy Corbyn's Front Bench BBC He is Labour's only Scottish MP by the way ...
greenknight Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 Thank you Green King, people are welcome to their opinions. I have been reading the forum for several months now and one of the reason I have joined is because I don't always agree with what I read. How do we become better and more open people if are not willing to have our opinions challenged so hopefully I can offer that and vice versa. To me Corbyn is a sense of relief. I couldn't understand labour leader candidates saying the party had to become more like the conservatives to win the next election. I'd rather have a Labour Party who stood up for its beliefs and offered a legit opposition than change its political position just to win. He also comes across as some one who is honest whilst being interviewed rather than far too many politicians who only say what the media want or give a 'political' response not really answering what was asked. Maybe I shouldn't have chosen my first thread to comment on a political thread! He has always stuck by his principles which I commend Luke but he will be aware that some adjustment maybe required if he is to remain as Captain. I'm not so sure about the idea of withdrawing from NATO but renationalisation of the railways and energy companies ...well that appeals as does greater taxation for those can afford. Great first thread Luke and apologies for late reply only I've been in Southampton today which sadly meant I missed the big clean up.
Roger Posted September 13, 2015 Report Posted September 13, 2015 He has always stuck by his principles which I commend Luke but he will be aware that some adjustment maybe required if he is to remain as Captain. He is already being sucked into the Machine. He said before he was elected that he would take the Queen off his Radar. A good decision was an immediate compromise. What will he say about Trident ? His Deputy wants to keep it I think. His easiest option is not to talk about it at the next PMQ's ..... I think he is totally out of his depth.
Roger Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 Angela Eagle's extra title due to Labour 'women row' Shadow business secretary’s second post as shadow first secretary of state was an afterthought, Labour source confirms The new shadow business secretary, Angela Eagle , was given an honorary title of first secretary of state after one of Jeremy Corbyn’s staff had said they were “taking a fair amount of shit†about the lack of women in top jobs in his team. Guardian
SON OF GRIDKNOCKER Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 @ Roger: "I think he is totally out of his depth." Don't you believe it, matey; not even for a nano-second. Jeremy Corbyn has rolled up his M&S chinos and is now paddling in the Westmister fishpond, with the Etonian pirhannas circling around his ankles ("Hey, David, let's nip his toes off at PMQs on Wednesday, yeah?). He'll kick them all disdanefully aside (aided and abetted by the redoubtable Eagle twins) then move forwards into the dawn of a new, equitable socialist Britain, taking the country with him. JC4PM
Roger Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 He'll kick them all disdanefully aside (aided and abetted by the redoubtable Eagle twins) then move forwards into the dawn of a new, equitable socialist Britain, taking the country with him. JC4PM I don't doubt a word he says. He isn't saying anything to be popular. He says what he's been saying for 30 years. He will have to water down some of his more insane policies though ~ simply because he has so few very left wing parliamentary Labour MP supporters. They probably don't even number 20. He only got onto the Leadership ballot paper with about 5 minutes to go with the support of MP's who won't be real fans' and who just wanted the election to exhibit a wider range of views. Without him we might have just had 3 very similar candidates all pumping out policies that were the same old. In any event he hasn't even got the chance of doing an awful lot until 2020.
Cambo Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 I'm delighted that Corbyn won mainly because it would of P.I.S.S.E.D off all those blairites & the war criminal himself!…although I don't agree with all his policy's but I think the guy should be given a chance now the labour membership have voted for him & I'm sure he will give as good as he gets at PMQ's?
greenknight Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 I'm delighted that Corbyn won mainly because it would of P.I.S.S.E.D off all those blairites & the war criminal himself!…although I don't agree with all his policy's but I think the guy should be given a chance now the labour membership have voted for him & I'm sure he will give as good as he gets at PMQ's? Agreed Cambo, the old lad has been around long enough to know how it works.
SON OF GRIDKNOCKER Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 I rather liked this quip by Garry Younge in The Observer on Sunday (vis-a-vis the lacklustre opponents Jeremy Corbyn was up against in the Leadership election):- "Barring the odd speeding ticket, they didn't have a conviction amongst them."
Roger Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 I see Jeremy Corbyn turned up at the Battle Of Britain event at St. Paul's today. As he's a pacifist I've read he did it reluctantly. The picture certainly gives the impression he was uncomfortable. I see he made minimal effort by wearing clothes that seem to have been rejected by the local charity shop and he couldn't even be bothered to button up his ill fitting shirt properly. He's a Republican so never sang along with the National Anthem. Corbyn seems to have forgotten that the only reason he's got his free speech to air his views is because of the sacrifices of the sorts of people who lost their lives during the Battle Of Britain. There were many hundred.
greenknight Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Ok so what's in a picture...well he hasn't found a pretend uniform. The two chaps in high regalia to the left seem to be in fine voice and then he is holding his hands in a special way !!!
megilleland Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Corbyn seems to have forgotten that the only reason he's got his free speech to air his views is because of the sacrifices of the sorts of people who lost their lives during the Battle Of Britain. There were many hundred. Quite right Roger, but do not forget the few in power over the years who have and are still handing control of our country to the European and international plutocrats. EU membership has led to deep constitutional changes in the UK. According to Philip Johnston it would be wrong to say that we have been robbed of our sovereignty - our government has been an accomplice all the way. That Corbyn is making a stand against pointless wars, poverty and selfish greed, gives hope there could be a better and worthwhile society in the future. Regarding his dress - don't judge a book by its cover (you shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something, by its outward appearance alone).
greenknight Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Thanks Martin..I'm just so surprised that JC is worrying so many of the "blues" after all I thought they were slapping each other on the back comfortable of another ten years now. They should get behind their party leader and current PM...if I could just remember what he looks like LOL. Laughing out Loud,Lots of Love....Oh Damn which one is it again....Rebekka help!
Cambo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 I think austerity is starting to hit hard & people are feeling it…not if your rich thou?! These cutbacks in all areas I just don't think its sustainable to keep cutting back in the way the Tories are with local authorities struggle to make ends meet I think people are particular the younger generation being draw to Corbyn because he's not like your run of the mill politician he seems to have good morals while caring for his fellow humans? I also think you can be a pacifist & appreciate the sacrifices people have made in the past?!
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