Labour Leadership Result - Jeremy Corbyn

[Roger]

I doubt Corbyn gives a toss about the tittle tattle in The Daily Mail but if he's got any sense at PMQ's tomorrow his first question should be about Lord Ashcroft's Non Dom status and when did Cameron know about it as both men are saying entirely different things about the timeline of events ...

[Denise Lloyd]

Swiped this from another page but it did make me smile- I wonder if he was tested for Swine Disease after his little adventure.

 

 

Pauline Black

[Denise Lloyd]

Not Swine Disease but correctly called Swine Vesicular Disease

[Roger]

Corbyn suffers blow as Trident vote is rejected at party conference

 

 

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a major blow to his authority after a bid by the Labour leadership to force a vote on the renewal of the Trident nuclear programme was overwhelmingly rejected at the party’s conference.

 

Hours after the opening of the event in Brighton, Britain’s largest trade unions and the party membership spurned a call by Corbyn to allow the conference to hold a debate and a vote on whether Britain should renew Trident.

 

In a severe embarrassment to Corbyn, who won the support of the main trade unions in the leadership contest, his call for a debate on Trident was supported by just 0.16% of the trade union vote. The support among constituency Labourparties was little higher at 7.1%.

 

Shadow cabinet members, who had earlier welcomed a signal by Corbyn that he would allow a free vote on Trident, were scathing about the new leader’s conference debut. “Chaos and confusion rule the day,†one frontbencher said.

 

Another senior figure said: “Delegates did not feel they wanted the party to have to debate such a divisive issue. Common sense has prevailed.â€

 

The decision to spurn a debate on Trident, which came hours after Corbyn had told BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show he would like the issue to be debated, shows that the new leader’s room for manoeuvre will be severely limited. His deputy chief of staff, Anneliese Midgley, had lobbied members of the conference arrangements committee (CAC) to include the motion under the headline “Britain’s defence capability†on their priorities ballot for contemporary motions that are debated at conference.

 

Tom Watson, the deputy leader, who supports the renewal of Trident, is understood to have urged caution in recent days on such a divisive issue. Watson made clear where his priorities lie when he made a rallying cry at a lunchtime fringe meeting for Labour to campaign more passionately and effectively against the government on austerity.

 

Corbyn had tried to give himself some room for manoeuvre in his BBC1 appearance by joking that he could not dictate to the agenda in Brighton. He said: “Sadly, the Labour leader has no dictatorship over the conference arrangements committee or anything else. I think probably there are going to be a series of alternatives put there and we will see what happens.â€

 

But he made it clear that he hoped to have a debate. He said: “I hope to persuade them that a nuclear-free world is a good thing, that fulfilling our obligations under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and promoting a nuclear weapons convention is a good thing. They are all signed up to multilateral disarmament, by the way.

 

“There are many people, military thinkers, who are very concerned and indeed opposed to Trident because they don’t see it as part of modern security or defence, because they don’t see any situation in which Trident would become an option you would think about using.â€

 

The rejection of a debate and vote on Trident means that Labour is still officially committed to renewing the deterrent. This means that shadow cabinet members who favour its renewal, led by Watson and the shadow foreign secretary, Hilary Benn, will say they have the right to vote in favour of Trident.

 

This suggests Trident will be renewed when MPs are asked to vote on the “maingate†decision next summer, possibly in June. The combination of centre-ground Labour figures such as Watson and Benn and the vast bulk of Conservative MPs would provide enough votes to defeat Corbyn if he joins forces with the SNP’s 56 MPs to oppose Trident.

 

 

 

Guardian

 

Chaos and Confusion in Brighton .... The Unions wanted Corbyn as Leader but now only 0.16% want to talk about what he wants to talk about. 

 

59.5% Mandate evaporating to 0.16% (7.1% for Constituency Labour Parties)

[ragwert]

The Labour Party sank to a new low today, and virtual civil war broke out on the opposition benches following revelations about the sick and depraved hobby of very, very, left-wing leader Jeremy Corbyn. The socialist demagogue who seized control of the Labour Party earlier this month following a so-called ‘landslide election’ now looks less electable than ever as it was revealed he liked to collect little enamel badges from various trades unions down the decades.

‘This one is a 1970s NUPE Health workers badge’ Corbyn drooled, fingering the lethal pin that would blind a child if it was forced into her soft eyes. The sharp-edged metal trophies could also kill a puppy if the entire collection was forced down the little puppy’s throat and he wasn’t allowed to see a vet. But still Corbyn kept up the polite facade, smiling behind his 1980s-style beard, offering to tell onlookers about what all the different socialist logos stood for. Many of the badges may well be coated with toxic lead paint, exposing the lie of ‘Comrade Corbyn’s’ environmental credentials. Others were made from metal originally mined by non-unionised workforces in the Third World, revealing the staggering hypocrisy of the Islington socialist.

‘This certainly puts any past misdemeanours of our Prime Minister into sharp perspective’ said a Conservative Party spokesman. ‘It sickens me that a senior British politician can be so interested in the insignia of the Trades Unions who tried to destroy the East End of London with their blitzkreig in 1940. Does he know nothing about history?’

Corbyn has so far refused calls to have the badges put beyond use in front of independent witnesses, for fear he might alienate his union paymasters. ‘He is a very bad person indeed. You must never ever vote for him’ said one anonymous source.

[Roger]

I look forward to The Parliamentary group tearing itself apart as very few agree with much of what he says. And I don't think he gives much of a toss about people agreeing with him. His 'bottom up' style is fresh tho. Giving a say to the ground roots. But I don't think any of this is thought through enough. 

[Roger]

Revealed: ‘unspun’ Jeremy Corbyn used a four-year old reject speech for Miliband

 

 

On its own terms, I imagine Jeremy Corbyn’s speech to the Labour conference can be considered tolerably acceptable. Much of it, after all, consisted of time-served bromides with which almost no-one could reasonably disagree. It was a Marx and apple-pie speech that omitted most of Marx. And who dislikes pie?

Nevertheless, what was new was not good and what was good was not new. Much of it, actually, was not new at all. A significant chunk of Corbyn’s speech was, in its essentials, written in 2011. Not by Corbyn, of course, but by the writer Richard Heller.

 

 

Spectator

 

I watched Corbyn give his Marxist 'speech' today at the Labour Party Conference ~ which he delivered wearing clothes which looked like he'd found them in a skip. I agreed with what he opened with. I don't think it's right that Saudi Arabia should behead and crucify that fella for taking part in a demo.

 

But he rambled into his peacenik 'don't bomb anyone' stuff and about scrapping Trident. And he started to get into areas that although desirable simply won't be happening as systems just wouldn't cope. Like providing cheap housing for everyone and taking the brake off the benefit cuts. 

 

I also actually agree with him in treating Mental Health in the NHS more equally. Nationalising the railways as the franchises come up needs serious consideration as well. 

 

But he never went seriously into the economic area of how his utopian dream would be paid for. Which would be to borrow more, increase taxes and print more money. Which of course would wreck the Country.

[Roger]

Has Jeremy Corbyn really snubbed the Queen?

 

Today’s Telegraph front page runs with the story that Jeremy Corbyn has “snubbed†the Queen today by refusing to meet her. Corbyn could today have joined the Privy Council, which would mean him being given the title Right Honourable, but has had to miss the opportunity, citing “prior engagementsâ€.

 

 

The story has been widely picked up by other media outlets, and used as further proof that the Labour leader is unpatriotic. This follows Corbyn standing in silence for the national anthem during a service for Battle of Britain veterans last month, and his hesitation when asked whether he was prepared to kneel before the Queen for his Privy Council induction. In a speech yesterday, David Cameron described Corbyn as “Britain-hatingâ€.

 

 

However, Corbyn has been leader for less than a month – and there was a three-month period when Cameron became leader of the Tories before he took the oath and joined the Privy Council, where hewill have missed two meetings with the Queen. As Lord President of the Privy Council, Nick Clegg missed four consecutive meetings with the Queen while he was Deputy Prime Minister of the country. Both have largely escaped accusations of hating Britain.

 

Labourlist.org

Labour have made a facile and pathetic argument that Cameron and Clegg missed identical Privy Council meetings previously. The situation is different here in so much that Corbyn is a rabid Republican and all eyes are on him for anything remotely connected with The Queen. With the other two they weren't anywhere near the radar for the same subject.

[Clarkester]

What's the deal then Roger?

Are the Tories, and Cameron in particular, allowed to spread blatant lies about Corbyn, but when Labour hit back with actual facts, they become "facile, pathetic arguments"?  Not sure that's all that fair is it?

[Denise Lloyd]

I agree Corbyn has had some kind of bashing in the 4 weeks since becoming Leader of the Labour.  Many others would have crumbled a long time ago.  Take note you Corbyn bashers he has a strength of character that not everybody has.  Cameron in contrast sounded almost hysterical yesterday in his closing speech. Whilst not everybody agrees with Corbyn's politics he is cool calm and calculating and his maturity will do him more good than harm. 

[Roger]

What's the deal then Roger?

Are the Tories, and Cameron in particular, allowed to spread blatant lies about Corbyn, but when Labour hit back with actual facts, they become "facile, pathetic arguments"?  Not sure that's all that fair is it?

 

What lies are those? I think Cameron is just keeping on the radar the fact that Corbyn went on Iranian TV in 2011 bemoaning the death of Osama Bin Laden as a 'tragedy' and that he wants to bin the nuclear deterrent. Putting the security of our Country at risk. He wouldn't press any 'button' anyway as he's a peacenik. If we had a fix on ISIS executioner Jihadi John today and Corbyn was PM he wouldn't launch the drone to blow the guy into a million pieces either. 

 

Labour comparing Corbyn's absence at Privy Council to Cameron and Clegg's is facile as it was total ignoring the true complexities of the issue. Highlighted by Corbyn being a Republican who refused to sing the National Anthem at The Battle Of Britain Ceremony. 

 

Anyhow Corbyn is missing in action today for reasons of 'private appointments and relaxation' as reported by Mashable

 

He will resurface in Scotland tomorrow apparently.

[ragwert]

What lies are those? I think Cameron is just keeping on the radar the fact that Corbyn went on Iranian TV in 2011 bemoaning the death of Osama Bin Laden as a 'tragedy' and that he wants to bin the nuclear deterrent. Putting the security of our Country at risk. He wouldn't press any 'button' anyway as he's a peacenik. If we had a fix on ISIS executioner Jihadi John today and Corbyn was PM he wouldn't launch the drone to blow the guy into a million pieces either. 

 

Labour comparing Corbyn's absence at Privy Council to Cameron and Clegg's is facile as it was total ignoring the true complexities of the issue. Highlighted by Corbyn being a Republican who refused to sing the National Anthem at The Battle Of Britain Ceremony. 

 

Anyhow Corbyn is missing in action today for reasons of 'private appointments and relaxation' as reported by Mashable

 

He will resurface in Scotland tomorrow apparently.

 

In 2011 Mr Corbyn, then a backbench Labour MP, was highly critical of the lack of any apparent effort to put Osama Bin Laden on trial for his crimes, saying the solution “has got to be law, not war†– and it is that which he describes as a “tragedyâ€. So what was Cameron trying to say?

 

 

 

 

[Roger]

 

 

 

Huffington Post

 

 

A snap poll after Cameron's lively speech by Survation.

 

22% of Labour voters agree with Cameron. When you factor in the 'don't know's' a whopping 46% of Labour voter's are not dismissing Cameron's claims out of hand. Grim reading for Corbynistas.

 

There is a vast discrepancy on the poll from people who had heard about the speech compared to those who hadn't. Of people aware of the content 48% agreed with Cameron. The speech has obviously served it's purpose which is what politics is about I suppose.

[Roger]

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn visits the Daily Record and has a message for readers

 

 

 

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn today visited the Daily Record - the only national newspaper to back his leadership bid.

 

Corbyn enjoyed a tour of the paper's Glasgow offices and chatted with staff. And he recorded this message for Daily Record readers.

 

The trip north of the border is Mr Corbyn's second since becoming leader as he tries to win back voters ahead of the Scottish Parliament elections next May.

 

 

Daily Record

 

41 second video on link where his agenda was tax credit cuts .... 

[Roger]

Jeremy Corbyn Chose 'Relaxation Time' In Scotland Instead Of Queen Privy Council Meeting

 

The reason Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn missed a chance to be inducted into the Privy Council by the Queen has been revealed, the Press Association claims.

 

 

 

Now the reason why Corbyn missed the event, which followed criticism of his decision not to sing the National Anthem at a memorial service, has been "revealed" by the Sunday Times.

 

According to the newspaper, the Opposition leader was walking in the Scottish Highlands and enjoying a soft drink and a dinner of fish and chips at the Ben Nevis bar and restaurant in Fort William.

 

The pub is described as “cheap and nasty but friendly enough†in an online review, according to The Sunday Times.

 

Mr Corbyn dropped in on the pub while on a walking holiday accompanied by a "dark-haired woman", believed to be his Mexican wife, Laura Alvarez.

 

He also posed for a picture outside the Tavern restaurant in the town with its owner, John MacLennan.

 

Mr MacLennan posted the image on Facebook with the caption: "'Can I have my steak well done, please?' No problem Jeremy, we will get the chef to nuke it for you!" — a reference to Mr Corbyn's well-known opposition to renewing Trident.

 

The restaurant owner said the MP had taken a look at the menu and posed for pictures on Tuesday but not gone inside.

 

"He was very pleasant, an absolutely pleasant man — not my politics, I'm completely the opposite spectrum, you know — but very pleasant, nice guy," Mr MacLennan said.

 

Labour backbencher Simon Danczuk told the newspaper: "Jeremy has led the party off into the wilderness and then taken a hike in the Highlands.

 

"It is not so much that he has missed the meeting with the Queen, but that he's let this story run and run, which means we haven't had a chance to get our message out there."

 

 

The Huffington Post

Ben Nevis Bar and Restaurant TripAdvisor (Mixed Reviews)

[Clarkester]

I'm going out on a limb here, I don't think Roger likes Jeremy Corbyn...

[Roger]

I'm going out on a limb here, I don't think Roger likes Jeremy Corbyn...

 

On the contrary I like the fact that he is a man of principle who makes no secret of what he stands for ~ even though I disagree with most of what he says. And I think it's really good that Labour is beginning to forge a distinctive alternative identity to the Tories. Under Blair it all seemed to pretty much merge in the middle. My view of Corbyn might change if he gets bounced into a compromise over Trident when the Labour Manifesto gets written for the 2020 election.

 

Where I have got a problem is that instead of talking about Labour policy we are yet again talking about the minutiae of his role which is quite frankly unimportant. But Corbyn seems to be singularly unable or unwilling to say or do  something constructive that will knock it on the head or kick it out of the papers. He's like a rabbit frozen in a set of headlights.

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn's 'Right Honourable' title removed from website after missing Privy Councl meeting with Queen

 

He cannot become a member of the Privy Council until the next meeting is held

 

Jeremy Corbyn has had his "Right Honourable" title removed from the Commons website on the orders of the Queen's advisers, after No 10 wrongly implied the Labour leader had joined the Privy Council.

 

The Labour leader had been accorded the title ahead of his appointment to the Privy Council.

 

 

However, after he missed the first meeting of the Privy Council since the summer holidays with the Queen last Thursday, the "Rt Hon" title was removed from Mr Corbyn's page on Parliament's website.

Mr Corbyn missed an induction into the Privy Council by the Queen because he was on a walking holiday in the Scottish Highlands at the time.This was done under the orders of the Office of the Privy Council, The Daily Telegraph reports.

 

He cannot become a member of the Privy Council until the next meeting is held, probably next month.

 

This will mean the Labour leader cannot be briefed on security matters until then, complicating efforts by ministers to use intelligence to persuade Mr Corbyn to back British involvement in military action in Syria.

 

David Rogers, a leading expert on the Privy Council, told the Telegraph the confusion was caused by a statement on the Cabinet Office's website that said Mr Corbyn had been appointed to the Council.

 

The statement read: "The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Jeremy Corbyn MP as a member of the Privy Council."

 

Mr Rogers said:" Number 10 had confused a recommendation to appoint with an actual appointment" and added that Downing Street "probably hadn't cleared their statements with the Privy Council Office".

 

He said the Privy Council had stepped in to ask Parliament to correct its website and remove Mr Corbyn's title.

 

The Labour leader will have to send a Privy Counsellor in his shadow Cabinet team for briefings, such as any on British involvement in Syria.

 

The Privy Council's monthly meetings are presided over by the Queen, but its role as an administrative link between the monarch and parliament is institutional, rather than politically critical.

 

David Cameron was named as a member of the Privy Council eight days after he was made Conservative leader.

 

He did not attend a Privy Council meeting and was therefore not sworn in for a further three months, but unlike Mr Corbyn he was appointed in his absence.

 

A spokesperson for Jeremy Corbyn said he intended to take up the position on the Privy Council.

 

 

The Independent

[Roger]

Jeremy Corbyn Criticised by Labour MP For Backing George Osborne's Fiscal Charter

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised from the left of his party for his plans to backGeorge Osborne's commitment to running a budget surplus.

 

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell last month surprised many when he revealed Labour would back George Osborne's fiscal charter which commits the government delivering an overall surplus by 2019-20 and to running an overall budget surplus in "normal times".

 

 

Huffington Post

 

That article is dated yesterday. It is now out of date as the whole plan was thrown out of the window last night. It is getting stupid now as everyone in Labour seems to writing a Policy on the back of a *** packet and then it's picked out at random out of a bag. 

 

I think it's PMQ's tomorrow. Can't wait! 

 

PMQ's 14.10.15

[Roger]

This BBC Montage just shows how Labour is a basket case Party. Specifically over The Fiscal Charter. Article was published within the last couple of hours .... 

 

BBC

[Roger]

 

Today at The Palace .... He gave in to protocol! Albeit very scruffily! 

[Denise Lloyd]

Heidi Allen for PM I say 

[Roger]

Heidi Allen for PM I say 

 

She obviously featured in the first #PMQ's question from Corbyn today. He followed up with questions from his email box which were Tax Credits/Steel/Disability stuff. Having asked his various questions he never went for the jugular after listening to Cameron's answers'. All too easy for Cameron ~ who managed to get in his topical joke! 

 

[Denise Lloyd]

No but isn't that more irritating than fighting - just staying calm he knows Cameroon has a  short fuse and he's playing with him.

 

Whilst on the subject of Tax Credits despite a lot of tweeting and emailing to the Jess he has  thus far  not gone against the flow on the Tax Credits.  Surprising he has chosen not to represent a lot of people in Hereford one of the lower paid counties. I expect the same applies to Wiggin who we never hear about anyway

 

Sorry sorry off topic but still relevant.

[Roger]

Whilst on the subject of Tax Credits despite a lot of tweeting and emailing to the Jess he has  thus far  not gone against the flow on the Tax Credits.

 

He won't and I wouldn't. Cameron hammered home the Policy again at PMQ's today .... Less welfare. It is out of control. 

[Denise Lloyd]

Pay tax to support bone idle physically fit people who have no intention of ever working (those that work the system and know exactly how to work the system) or pay tax to support Tax Credits paid to people who work but cannot make ends meet on minimum pay - I know which I would pay tax for

[Irena Sulecka]

Don't like the scruffy bloke. I do not agree with his stance on Trident either.  

[Clarkester]

Which one do you mean Irena?

I would rather a principled scruffy man to an overly polished, pompous liar...

As for Trident?  Nucular weapons aren't and never will be any protection against nations or people that want to do us harm.

What will do us harm is letting the Chinese run our power stations, that is more of a worry...

[Denise Lloyd]

Breaking news

 

 UK Parliament Retweeted

House of Lords â€@UKHouseofLords  6m6 minutes ago

#houseoflords agrees to delay consideration of draft regulations on #taxcredits, find out more http://ow.ly/TRGu9 

[Roger]

 

Breaking news

 

 UK Parliament Retweeted

House of Lords â€@UKHouseofLords  6m6 minutes ago

#houseoflords agrees to delay consideration of draft regulations on #taxcredits, find out more http://ow.ly/TRGu9 

 

 

An amendment to the motion declining to approve the regulations went to a vote with 99 for and 310 against, so the amendment was rejected.

 

Some Peers in the bar there I think ...

 

An amendment to the motion, seeking to delay consideration of the regulations until a report has been produced addressing the Institute for Fiscal Studies' analysis of the regulations and their impact, went to a vote. Members voted 307 for and 277 against, so the amendment was agreed.

 

The combined 'expenses' there for those that voted amount to £175,200 .... for an afternoons work. I suppose others may have attended who never actually voted. Who knows!? 

 

The turnout was good tho .... I saw it on tv. Some very old people were wheeled in. Probably from a nursing home! 

[Denise Lloyd]

Roger have you always been this gruff and cynical?