Terrorist Attack in London - Arm ALL British Police

[Colin James]

It was waiting to happen but unfortunately there has now been a terrorist attack in London. 

 

 

Westminster is on lockdown after a terror attack where a knifeman ploughed a car into pedestrians before stabbing a policeman outside the Houses of Parliament.

 

Two people have died and a number of people have suffered "catastrophic" injuries after in the incident where a number of people were mowed down on Westminster Bridge by the attacker.

 

Witnesses described hearing people screaming and seeing bodies scatter as the car is understood to have mounted the pavement just in front of the Houses of Parliament.

 

It is time to arm ALL our police here in the UK if you agree please sign the petition HERE

[megilleland]

I don't agree and won't be signing the petition. There is already an armed response team in Herefordshire. Policeman walking around High Town carrying pistols - can you imagine it. There is going to be an increased armed presence at all major UK railway stations, as there is at present, at all our major airports.

[twowheelsgood]

I don't agree either. Simply not necessary - far better to spend the money on intelligence gathering.

[Colin James]

I don't agree and won't be signing the petition. There is already an armed response team in Herefordshire. Policeman walking around High Town carrying pistols - can you imagine it. There is going to be an increased armed presence at all major UK railway stations, as there is at present, at all our major airports.

Lets hope that nobody you love is caught up in an incident then Martin. The world has changed and there are more nutters wanting to harm us! Next time it could be in some small peaceful hamlet where there are no armed police and too far away from an armed response team to react quick enough.

 

Beside the potential terrorists attacks how about the police being able to protect themselves, I think at least they should have the choice considering they are on the front line. 

[ragwert]

Why? Do you think if all were armed this would not have happened? No,me neither

[Colin James]

I don't agree either. Simply not necessary - far better to spend the money on intelligence gathering.

 

Oh yeah like the intelligence they had before todays attack eh....

[K.Butt]

I have signed the petition, this is long overdue and had the police officer that died today been armed he may of still gone home to his family tonight like all of us reading this.

 

Probably find it was some Islamic nutter again, also I would not be surprised if he is already known.

[Paul Jones]

Pleased to have signed the petition. I agree police officers should at least be given the choice to carry a sidearm, a truncheon is pretty obsolete these days. 

[ragwert]

Lets hope that nobody you love is caught up in an incident then Martin. The world has changed and there are more nutters wanting to harm us! Next time it could be in some small peaceful hamlet where there are no armed police and too far away from an armed response team to react quick enough.

 

Beside the potential terrorists attacks how about the police being able to protect themselves, I think at least they should have the choice considering they are on the front line. 

You just have to look at USA where not only are all the police are armed but the general public are too,never stops the mass murders does it or the on average 34,000 people killed by gun use.

If the police are all armed it would lead to criminals being armed too

[Colin James]

I have signed the petition, this is long overdue and had the police officer that died today been armed he may of still gone home to his family tonight like all of us reading this.

 

Probably find it was some Islamic nutter again, also I would not be surprised if he is already known.

 

I have just read that It looks like the attacker was Abu Izzadeen, who was well known to the authorities, and is a well known Islamic extremist.

[Cambo]

I have just read that It looks like the attacker was Abu Izzadeen, who was well known to the authorities, and is a well known Islamic extremist.

Yea he's a mate of that a Anjem Choudary & no hands Hamza from Finsbury Park mosque.

 

i'm not for all police to be armed I think it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to what has happened today although Westminster has more armed police than anywhere else in London which I suspect that this idiot was fully aware of that but it did not put him off!

Armed police did not help those on the bridge either in fact somebody driving a vehicle into a crowd of people is a difficult situation to deal with because your not likely to know they are going to do it until they have done it…as has been proven in nice & Berlin the same as if it is a bomb a policeman with a gun is not going to stop that either intelligence is the key weapon in the prevention of attacks!

[Ubique]

I understand that the Police Officer who was sadly killed was an armed Officer.

 

I believe that there is certainly a need for a number of Police Officers to be armed but I would suggest that the majority have no real wish to be a Firearms Officer.

[megilleland]

I have just read that It looks like the attacker was Abu Izzadeen, who was well known to the authorities, and is a well known Islamic extremist.

 

Infamous Islamic hate preacher Abu Izzadeen was falsely named tonight as the Westminster terror attacker, despite him still being in prison.

 

Channel 4 News claimed at the start of their programme at 7pm that Izzadeen was behind the shocking attack this afternoon, but later admitted there was 'doubt' over whether this was the case.

 

Simon Israel, Channel 4's senior home affairs correspondent, told viewers halfway through tonight's show: 'It may be that we’re not as certain about identity of the attacker as we thought.'

 

This came after senior security sources and Izzadeen's lawyer denied he could be the attacker - because he is in prison.

 

The show ended with confirmation from Izzadeen's brother that he was still in jail.

 

 

Did the police have prior knowledge of an attack, but were in the wrong place?

 

Armed police have played out the chaos of a "pleasure boat" terrorist attack on the Thames in a unique marine-based exercise to test the emergency response to gunmen.

A sightseeing vessel became the scene of a fierce mock-gun battle between armed officers and police volunteers posing as terrorists shortly after 11am on Sunday, close to the London Docklands area.

 

 

Why don't the UK government deport them?

 

More than 70 terrorists back on streets after release from UK prisons last year

Seventy two people convicted of terror-related offences were back on the streets last year after being released from UK prisons, new figures show.

 

 

Then maybe we wouldn't have to spend so much money on this.

 

Four new jails planned as ministers attempt to tackle prisons crisis

PLANS for four new prisons will be unveiled by Justice Secretary Liz Truss today as the Government steps up its drive to reform the crisis-hit jail system.

 

Sites in Full Sutton in Yorkshire, Hindley in Wigan, Rochester in Kent and Port Talbot in South Wales have been earmarked for development as part of a pledge to create up to 10,000 modern prison places by 2020.

 

The announcement is the latest step in a £1.3 billion revamp of the estate first launched under Ms Truss's predecessor, Michael Gove, amid concerns a number of facilities were overcrowded and run-down.

 

"This significant building programme will not only help create a modern prison estate where wholesale reform can truly take root but will also provide a thriving, economic lifeline for the local community - creating hundreds of jobs for local people and maximising opportunities for businesses."

[Colin James]

Yea he's a mate of that a Anjem Choudary & no hands Hamza from Finsbury Park mosque.

 

i'm not for all police to be armed I think it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction to what has happened today although Westminster has more armed police than anywhere else in London which I suspect that this idiot was fully aware of that but it did not put him off!

Armed police did not help those on the bridge either in fact somebody driving a vehicle into a crowd of people is a difficult situation to deal with because your not likely to know they are going to do it until they have done it…as has been proven in nice & Berlin the same as if it is a bomb a policeman with a gun is not going to stop that either intelligence is the key weapon in the prevention of attacks!

 

You are correct it will not prevent any terrorist attack however, a police officer with a gun has more chance of saving lives by shooting terrorists dead, but right now they have to waste valuable time waiting for an armed response team to arrive, while this is fairly quick in places like London there could still valuable seconds wasted and if you are in a smaller town or city then an even longer wait for armed backup. Besides all of this, what about police officers being able to protect themselves!  

 

Police all over Europe carry sidearms without problems and I for one would feel a lot safer if they carried them here in the UK.

[Colin James]

You just have to look at USA where not only are all the police are armed but the general public are too,never stops the mass murders does it or the on average 34,000 people killed by gun use.

If the police are all armed it would lead to criminals being armed too

 

So why is it not like that is Poland, Spain, France, Ukraine, Russia and the rest of Europe?

 

The difference in the US is that the general public can carry weapons as it is in the constitution unlike in Europe, so your arguments is flawed from the offset.

[Ubique]

 

 

A national survey of police officers across England and Wales last year showed that 20% wanted to be routinely issued with a firearm and six out of 10 wanted a Taser.

[Alex]

So why is it not like that is Poland, Spain, France, Ukraine, Russia and the rest of Europe?

 

The difference in the US is that the general public can carry weapons as it is in the constitution unlike in Europe, so your arguments is flawed from the offset.

I agree Colin.

 

Question, when they escorted Theresa May from parliament today why did her security team have firearms in hand? Apparently we don't need the police to carry firearms in the UK. 

 

Police should be armed, period!

[Alex]

A national survey of police officers across England and Wales last year showed that 20% wanted to be routinely issued with a firearm and six out of 10 wanted a Taser.

 

I don't think they should have the choice, you cannot join the police in the majority of Europe and say 'oh by the way I don't want to carry a gun' if thats ok. It is part of their uniform, the same as soldiers.

 

I wonder what the result of the he same survey for soldiers would reveal?

[Ubique]

I agree Colin.

 

Question, when they escorted Theresa May from parliament today why did her security team have firearms in hand? Apparently we don't need the police to carry firearms in the UK.

 

Police should be armed, period!

Question, when they escorted Theresa May from parliament today why did her security team have firearms in hand? "

 

Think you will find that the PM Personal Protection Team would have ushered her out to her car with weapons drawn because at that time they did not know the full picture of what was happening - guess it's part of their training .

[Bill Thomas]

So why is it not like that is Poland, Spain, France, Ukraine, Russia and the rest of Europe?

 

The difference in the US is that the general public can carry weapons as it is in the constitution unlike in Europe, so your arguments is flawed from the offset.

 

I agree 100%

[Bill Thomas]

Question, when they escorted Theresa May from parliament today why did her security team have firearms in hand? "

 

Think you will find that the PM Personal Protection Team would have ushered her out to her car with weapons drawn because at that time they did not know the full picture of what was happening - guess it's part of their training .

 

Nobody knows what is likely to happen on ANY DAY, hence why police need to be prepared and able too respond to an incident immediately!  

 

Train all police to carry firearms, can't believe in the 21st century our police still do not carry a sidearm.

[Cambo]

 

 

Then maybe we wouldn't have to spend so much money on this.

"This significant building programme will not only help create a modern prison estate where wholesale reform can truly take root but will also provide a thriving, economic lifeline for the local community - creating hundreds of jobs for local people and maximising opportunities for businesses."

Nice to see that they will turn a coin for locking people up although I think if you are looking to making money from incarcerating then not to far behind you will find his mates corruption & abuse!

Was there a cryptic message predicting today's events posted yesterday on 4chan?

Chilling 4chan post written day before London terror attack appears to predict incident - The Independent
https://apple.news/A2kmWPj84TNy39PlPP2wA1A

[Cambo]

You are correct it will not prevent any terrorist attack however, a police officer with a gun has more chance of saving lives by shooting terrorists dead, but right now they have to waste valuable time waiting for an armed response team to arrive, while this is fairly quick in places like London there could still valuable seconds wasted and if you are in a smaller town or city then an even longer wait for armed backup. Besides all of this, what about police officers being able to protect themselves!

 

Police all over Europe carry sidearms without problems and I for one would feel a lot safer if they carried them here in the UK.

That's what makes us great the need not to arm all our police officers unlike the rest of Europe…however I do respect your opinion…but I don't feel that endangered by the terrorist threat! yes it could happen, but I take my life in my own hands everyday driving on the A49!… I'd rather something was done about that than a greater need to arm the police personally!

[Colin James]

I understand that the Police Officer who was sadly killed was an armed Officer.

 

I believe that there is certainly a need for a number of Police Officers to be armed but I would suggest that the majority have no real wish to be a Firearms Officer.

 

he was UNARMED! See Sky News and also here: http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-22/gunfire-heard-outside-parliament-entrance/

 

 

However, he may still be alive had he of been armed...

[Cambo]

 

 

Train all police to carry firearms, can't believe in the 21st century our police still do not carry a sidearm.

I don't disagree that all police should know how to handle a firearm but I really don't think in this country we live in such a dangerous society that it warrants every police officer to be armed!

[Colin James]

I don't disagree that all police should know how to handle a firearm but I really don't think in this country we live in such a dangerous society that it warrants every police officer to be armed!

 

Well maybe 5 years ago I may of agreed with you Cambo but not anymore. Personally, I do not feel safe as it is and I would feel a lot better if all police were armed, why not?

[Cambo]

he was UNARMED! See Sky News and also here: http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-22/gunfire-heard-outside-parliament-entrance/

 

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However, he may still be alive had he of been armed...

Poss but we will never know that for sure…in Israel they are armed but it does not stop them from getting killed or seriously injured & they deal with this on a daily basis we don't.

 

 

Take a look at this attack for example…warning thou it contains violent scenes

 

http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/422689

[Cambo]

Well maybe 5 years ago I may of agreed with you Cambo but not anymore. Personally, I do not feel safe as it is and I would feel a lot better if all police were armed, why not?

Well that's fair enough Colin maybe your getting old? but for me at the moment it's a no I'm just don't feel it's warranted at this moment in time…if we where getting them on a daily or weekly basis then I may change my opinion.

[Ubique]

he was UNARMED! See Sky News and also here: http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-22/gunfire-heard-outside-parliament-entrance/

 

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However, he may still be alive had he of been armed...

Yes , you made your point - I accept now that he was unarmed BUT right upto mid evening they were all reporting that he was an armed officer. - of course initially there is a lot of confusion / mis reporting in a major incident

[Colin James]

Poss but we will never know that for sure…in Israel they are armed but it does not stop them from getting killed or seriously injured & they deal with this on a daily basis we don't.

 

 

Take a look at this attack for example…warning thou it contains violent scenes

 

http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/422689

 

You cannot guarantee anyones safety whether armed or not however, I stand by my previous comments that I believe an armed police officer will be able to react to a SUDDEN incident better if armed. 

 

We will have to agree to disagree I guess, lets hope I don't have to remind you again in the not to distant future of this debate.