Commercial Road Graveyard - Venns Arch

[Ubique]

I walked through Venn Gdns / Park between Canel Rd and Commercial Rd a couple of weeks ago and saw that somebody had set up camp  in the corner - quite surprised to see that the camp complete with two occupants is still there .,I fully accept that this is the life some people follow for whatever reason but should they be allowed to remain there ? 

[twowheelsgood]

It's not a park, it's a graveyard, formerly used by St Peter's Church, now decommissioned but still consecrated. As such, although it is still owned by St Peter's Church (technically the Vicar is the freeholder), the maintenance is the responsibility of Herefordshire Council, which explains the very run down condition and the demolished wall that has never been rebuilt. The archway off Commercial Street is Grade 2 Listed. John Venn is buried in the graveyard and his grave was restored a few years ago by the Hereford Society for Aiding the Industrious, the charity that carries on his good works. 

As to the campsite, it's a sad indictment of our society that people have to live like that, and it won't be any fun at all as the temperatures drop. There are other tents around the City. I suspect the Council won't do much with this one, hoping that it will go away, but at some point it becomes unhygienic and a health risk.

[Ubique]

Apologies for the slip up in the name .

Re the rough sleepers , hopefully St Peters Church will be opening their annual rough sleepers accommodation covering the coldest time of the year. it's a real pity that this or similar is not available throughout the year for homeless people . 

[H.Wilson]

I am sure that I will get slated for my response and although this person appears to be living out of a tent there are plenty of other places he could set up rather than in a graveyard. Authorities need to remove him from this location. 

[Denise Lloyd]

For as long as I can remember this has always been a favoured area for the shall we say the people who live outdoors

[Ubique]

I do not believe that the majority of Rough Sleepers enjoy their life style but , I am sure that in the main there is help and assistance for them . People critise Govt  etc when an apparent Rough Sleeper turns out to be a Veteran , no Veteran , unless it's their own choice needs , in my mind and with my knowledge have to sleep in doorways , tents etc.  I fully accept that the homeless Veteran needs to seek help and assistance , he has to ask for it or somebody else needs to seek the help from the Military Charities for him-her, SSAFA local 24/7 line is 01432 273932  , TRBL 0808 802 8080 .

The local Police Custody Centre , Council Customer Services etc. are aware that if they deal with a Veteran who needs help,they will ring one of the telephone numbers to start the ball rolling.

[Roger]

I have no issue with this tent, and it's occupant, being there. As long as no mess is being caused. 

[Mick]

On 12/11/2018 at 20:11, Roger said:

I have no issue with this tent, and it's occupant, being there. As long as no mess is being caused. 

I think you may need to have a walk past, bags and bags or rubbish and empty beer cans. There are plenty of place someone could pitch a tent but I draw the line with it being in a graveyard. 

[Roger]

On 14/11/2018 at 18:24, Mick said:

I think you may need to have a walk past, bags and bags or rubbish and empty beer cans. There are plenty of place someone could pitch a tent but I draw the line with it being in a graveyard. 

If the rubbish and litter can reasonably be associated to the tent being there then the tent and it's occupant need to be launched. It is a conservation area. Going back three or four months, when the sun was out a bit more, the steps under that graveyard arch were the permanent home of some drunken hobo drinking beer all day. I noticed! 

[atm63]

Those above not wanting it in a grave yard , maybe go and have a word with the inhabitants and suggest where you would prefer them to set up home . Have you decent sized back gardens ? maybe some room for these folk . Think about that carefully this week as the temperature drops and you turn the heating up why don't you . 

[K.Butt]

On 18/11/2018 at 23:35, atm63 said:

Those above not wanting it in a grave yard , maybe go and have a word with the inhabitants and suggest where you would prefer them to set up home . Have you decent sized back gardens ? maybe some room for these folk . Think about that carefully this week as the temperature drops and you turn the heating up why don't you . 

There are plenty of places to pitch a tent around this city and a grave yard is most definitely not one of them! I understand that this person has been offered alternative accommodation and as is often the case, they refused help.

[Ubique]

On 18 November 2018 at 23:35, atm63 said:

Those above not wanting it in a grave yard , maybe go and have a word with the inhabitants and suggest where you would prefer them to set up home . Have you decent sized back gardens ? maybe some room for these folk . Think about that carefully this week as the temperature drops and you turn the heating up why don't you . 

Having read all the comments I certainly disagree with your comment especially as apparently they have been offered help,and assistance . The homeless person(s) must be willing to change their lifestyle . 

At 1115 today the occupants of the tent were in Wetherspoons taking advantage , I thought , of their offer of refill cups of coffee for £1.25 but I was wrong , it was pints of beer or cider . 

They know , fully that help is there for them , they just have to accept it .

 

[Peter Thomas-Cruttwell]

4 hours ago, Ubique said:

Having read all the comments I certainly disagree with your comment especially as apparently they have been offered help,and assistance . The homeless person(s) must be willing to change their lifestyle . 

At 1115 today the occupants of the tent were in Wetherspoons taking advantage , I thought , of their offer of refill cups of coffee for £1.25 but I was wrong , it was pints of beer or cider . 

They know , fully that help is there for them , they just have to accept it .

 

Why am I not surprised?

[Adrian Pitt]

This is a graveyard and the police should move this person on, leaving this person there will only encourage others 

[atm63]

I think if I was living in a tent in Winter and I had the chanced of having a pint or something stronger I think I'd take it , ffs I'd want to drown my sorrows as well.  No one knows their situation , why they ended up in a tent . It only takes one or two bad decisions in life and it can all go wrong.  Many are blinkered on the subject . Why does someone need to make a note of the time a homeless person buys a pint in Wetherspoons ffs.  Think about it , really beyond belief .

[Roger]

2 hours ago, atm63 said:

I think if I was living in a tent in Winter and I had the chanced of having a pint or something stronger I think I'd take it , ffs I'd want to drown my sorrows as well.  No one knows their situation , why they ended up in a tent . It only takes one or two bad decisions in life and it can all go wrong.  Many are blinkered on the subject . Why does someone need to make a note of the time a homeless person buys a pint in Wetherspoons ffs.  Think about it , really beyond belief .

All of this debate is fairly pointless unless we have details about the person in the tent. 

[atm63]

1 hour ago, Roger said:

All of this debate is fairly pointless unless we have details about the person in the tent. 

Not pointless , true colours and thoughts on said subject have been shown , speaks volumes to me t b h .

[Paul Jones]

11 hours ago, atm63 said:

I think if I was living in a tent in Winter and I had the chanced of having a pint or something stronger I think I'd take it , ffs I'd want to drown my sorrows as well.  No one knows their situation , why they ended up in a tent . It only takes one or two bad decisions in life and it can all go wrong.  Many are blinkered on the subject . Why does someone need to make a note of the time a homeless person buys a pint in Wetherspoons ffs.  Think about it , really beyond belief .

I suggest you go and have a look at the mess being made here! More than just a quick pint in Wetherspoons too, lots of empty bottles of whiskey as well as plenty of other rubbish. I am in agreement with most of the other member in that this is a graveyard, there are many other places that a tent could be pitched, not forgetting that this person has been offered alternative council accommodation and refused all help.

[Ubique]

[Hereford Voice]

Just came through this graveyard and what a mess he has made! 

[Paul Jones]

On 18/11/2018 at 23:35, atm63 said:

Those above not wanting it in a grave yard , maybe go and have a word with the inhabitants and suggest where you would prefer them to set up home . Have you decent sized back gardens ? maybe some room for these folk . Think about that carefully this week as the temperature drops and you turn the heating up why don't you . 

This person has been offered alternative accommodation and refused the help but now look at this mess, they should be moved from this graveyard.